The legal wrangling over patents and who owns digital vinyl technology continues. The latest development: the court has dismissed N2IT’s claim against M-Audio, as covered by djtechtools. Before you strike this as a victory in the M-Audio column, it’s possible the parties settled out of court. Based on my limited legal background, I tend to agree with Ean Golden at djtechtools: this does seem to diminish the likelihood of N2IT successfully pursuing a new case against Serato. (In the Netherlands, it’s not possible to buy Serato, because there is would violate Dutch patent law, in the country in which N2IT is based.)

Previously, background on the story:
NI Ends Legal Dispute Over Traktor Scratch; Digital Vinyl’s Twisty, Turny History

Note that NI did acknowledge N2IT’s claims as valid. That would seem to set some precedent for future legal action by N2IT unless were to M-Audio win a countersuit against N2IT, which apparently has not happened.

It is interesting to hear djtechtools readers defending the N2IT patent. That may well have merit, but the basic technique of using an audio signal for control is something fundamental that well predates any notion of digital vinyl.

Technics 1200 Series: Discontinued (or not)?

Updated to reflect conflicting reports.

As digital vinyl presses on, reports are circulating in press and online communities that the the great emblem of the vinyl era is no more. Parent company Panasonic is reportedly discontinuing all remaining Technics 1200-series turntables (including the 1210).

Technics is dead [inthemix.com.au]

Updated: Sources for statements from Panasonic appear to be unconfirmed and/or conflicting. inthemix is where I had read this story; some CDM readers are describing these as unsubstantiated rumors.

It’s certainly possible that this isn’t the common “wild Internet rumors” phenomenon, but the equally common “large global company representatives aren’t on the same page” phenomenon.

The inthemix story, however, should be regarded as incorrect. As reported in the Australian cnet, the Panasonic Australia source has denied saying quotes attributed to him. There’s perhaps a more interesting (if not at all surprising) story here, which is that analog turntable demand is sagging — but apparently that will not result in the immediate end to 1200 sales.

Analog in ‘decline’ but Technics not dead [cnet AU]

Scratchworx tracks various, conflicting statements from different parts of Panasonic. There hasn’t been a formal press release, but then companies usually send press releases when they’re introducing products, not when they’re discontinuing them, so I wouldn’t read too much into that. One possible explanation could be that circulating rumors about the demise of the 1200 may have increased demand. It isn’t hard to imagine Panasonic responding to their reseller channel if lots of vinyl-heads began demanding turntables.

It’s also possible the rumors were incorrect. It’s easy for such a rumor to start, as vendors often don’t instruct resellers (or sometimes even their own global arms) about the status of products. I’ve often had conversations with press representatives of major music tech makers who weren’t entirely sure of the status of a particular product. And with store inventories low during a credit crunch, it would be easy enough for low stock to be misinterpreted as a discontinued product.

Scratchworx also notes that supposedly officially-discontinued models have remained in the channel.

Bringing some sanity to the Technics rumour [scratchworx]

Let me be absolutely clear: I think that vinyl deserves occasional attention from CDM, but I’m not a vinyl expert, and for that I rely on Scratchworx in particular.

If the Technics were discontinued — or, realistically, hen that day finally comes — what might it mean?

“It’s the end of an era” is the general response of the DJ community, but vinyl isn’t really going anywhere. The 1200 will always be remembered as the iconic scratch turntable, and there’s no question these ultra-reliable devices will continue to flourish, played and repaired by loyal DJs. (In fact, the quality of the gear may be partly to blame, in contrast to the planned obsolescence of a lot of newer equipment.) The 1200′s heydey, meanwhile, is long-since past. I personally think that’s healthy.

The golden age of scratch came about only because artists were irreverent and experimental, misusing and abusing equipment in a way that transformed music. It was not a musical movement born of pure nostalgia, and without a certain experimental drive, we’d be robbed of new experiments in the future. Today, abusing circuits and code have supplanted vinyl, a fitting medium for noisemaking, and one likely to last many more years. The Technics will survive, too. The really sad thing that our gear today is unlikely to last nearly as long as the Technics 1200.

  • Dan

    The 1210, is not a newer model. It is just the UK model. This does not mean vinyl is dead anyways. There are thousands of techs on the market.

  • http://regend.com regend

    according to SkrtachWorx: UPDATE 7 – 2/12/09: This just in from the original source of the rumour:

    I have some more news today from NZ on the Technics saga. It appears that the frenzy of interest and support for Technics around the world via the internet since the break of the story last week has taken Japan by surprise and caught them on the back foot – they are now back-pedalling and saying that they haven’t decided yet either way on the 1200s.

  • http://chokingsun.com dj mosquito

    i haven't tried the numark ttx usb decks, but do use (the also now discontinued) numark ttx decks. so far i haven't found anything they can't do that the 1200s do. from what i've heard the usb version is just as solidly built.

  • Ken Neville

    Is there anything more than speculation being spread about this anyway? Please link to a press release from Technics themselves before reporting rumor as fact.

  • spaceci

    Have Panasonic actually officially confirmed anything about this rumour as yet?? There seems to be lots of speculation and nothing in stone….. You know…… new models, just the MK5's blah blah blah.

  • DJ Spinna

    I began spinning on $99 Gemini turnatables (for both and a mixer!) at the age of 14 and enjoyed every second of that miserable piece of S**t! Of course, I did "graduate to 1200's and never looked back. The younger generation needs to know that vinyl is where it all began, you cannot be an effective Dj if you have not "felt" the music using your own hands to create a sound that blends in a fluid motion. I cannot stand these so called DJ's who only use I-pods and CD's that actually match BPM's for them!! A true artist/dj knows that vinyl is the key to success, master that and THEN graduate to other equipment! Keep vinyl alive! I have my 10 year old son using my 'Nics and forbid him to do something as blasphemous as using his i-pod with built in BPM counter software…this is not DJ Hero, for many of us…this is our life, job and release. I have no problem with advances and think many of the products are wonderful, but only for effects or when taking a drink/smoke break!! My 22 years of spinning has shown me many changes, some good, some horrible…As long as someone has a passion for the music, it will show in their mixes and radiate from their soul, the i-pod has no soul or emotion! KEEP THE VINYL printing! What will us "old-school" guys do without our weekly trips to a great record store looking for gems do?? Any mokey can play cd's or a freakin i-pod, but it takes talent to master manipulating vinyl!! Keep the house, trance, break-beat…whatever true to its roots! My 60,000 collection of vinyl and 6 turntables are like an old friend that i can go back to over and over and remember all of my friends, good times and the love of music we all shared, lets have our kids enjoy their generation and LEARN how to be a DJ on their own by PRACTICE! I am sure I sound like a bitter old man, but come on, you old-schoolers will agree. Peace to all, let House music live forever and lets all love each other.. Music does not know color, relegion or give a S**t about your financial situation…its been around forever since the dawn of man ,lets keep OUR music alive as well!

    DJ SPINNA!

  • wax

    I would expect better of djtechtools. To date, as this contoversial rumour has raged across the net, nobody has posted an offical statement from Panasonic or Technics.

    A few more than credible sources have gotten confirmation from Panosonic stating that the low range 1200 and 1210s will continue, as will the top of the line model, but they were discontinuing the mk5 mid-range model.

    Again, nobody has posted an official statement though.

  • http://regend.com regend

    Spinna! I cosign everything. I think you need your own Ustream show as well and bless us with more knowledge. My only gripe is I can't afford pressing my own vinyl. I can see myself doing a dub plate or a limited 100 pressing but outside of that it's beyond my budget. My connects in JA also don't want to bother with pressing up 45's for me. = So Serato SL1 has filled that void but hopefully demand for vinyl will rise!

    As for the Numark TTX's (pre USB) I got a pair to use with my SL1 because of the extreme pitch changes I can make and although they are good for some things they are not 100% reliable when compared to the 1200's I've had for more than a 10 years. Even the Vestax PDX a1/a2's I've also owned have outlasted the TTX's. I had a motor go out on a TTX recently and I won't be replacing it. For the cost of the motor I can get a used 1200 that will continue to out last newer products. I also know some people who have had some minor and some major issues with their TTX's. It's a good table for certain syles of Djing but I do a lot of scratching and juggling and they didn't hold up. Bless!

  • http://twitter.com/muloka Louis
  • kbooms1w

    I'll co-sign Spinna as well, 26 years for me, and while I love all the new toys and tools coming out now (I have Ableton, Ms. Pinky, Traktor, and several MIDI controllers), my 1200s are still the heart of any set up or configuration I use and always will be.

  • http://cooptrol.com cooptrol

    Nothing can substitute the amazing phenomena that consists in a physical groove with mountains and valleys turned into sound. I don't think analogue TTs will ever dissappear, considering each day more and more vinyl records are produced. Digital vinyl is just another option, and its good that we have so many formats to choose from.

  • http://www.createdigitalmusic.com Peter Kirn

    Thanks for the added information, folks — that's why I enjoy being a Web outlet; we can learn from readers, and we can change stuff.

    By the way, I don't find the confusion at all odd. If and when Technics ("Panasonic") do discontinue the 1200, they're unlikely to send out a press release. Usually products just disappear. And sometimes they disappear and reappear. So it's possible that, while inthemix's source seems to have been entirely false, even some resellers or Panasonic reps fueled the fire of this story.

    I've rewritten that portion of the story.

    Note, as well, djtechtools didn't report on the Technics issue, only the N2IT side of the story.

    Well, at the very least, it's worth taking a glimpse at what's happening in Creating Analog Music, if only to learn a bit. (Any further comment on the still-murky N2IT situation?)

  • http://www.euphiophone.com EUphio

    This year featuring "the highest annual figure for vinyl sales since SoundScan began tracking them in 1991" perhaps further improves the appeal of producing products for this market.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2009/de

  • Devil's Advocat

    If this is true, it isn't too surprising, nor really that impactful in any regard beyond symbolic. the Technic 1200's used market is so unbelievably robust that nobody that wants a pair will be denied for any foreseeable future.

    As to the predictable "2 technics + mixer = REAL DJ" comments, I am going to play Devil's advocate and wholeheartedly disagree. I started my DJ career 4 years ago after graduating college and finally making enough money to buy the archetypal setup of a pair of tech's with a pioneer mixer. After a year of bedroom DJing, paying $10 a pop every time I bought a new track (vinyl is EXPENSIVE), I got decent enough at beatmatching to play out…but only in my one genre that I invested in buying records for: Drum & Bass. I also realized that I at least half of my time was spent just keeping my records in sync, and was very limited in what I could do in my mix besides fade, cut, and eq between tracks. The technology felt so limiting.

    So I invested in a Macbook, Ableton Live, and started getting digital copies of music and meticulously setting up a beat grid on them so they'll always beatmatched and be tempo-independent (BLASPHEMOUS!).

    Now, the technology is not holding me back. I can focus entirely on building a mix, bringing tracks in and out at a rapid-fire pace, playing tracks out-of-order, skipping boring sections seamlessly, and mix tracks that are impossible with vinyl. Can you mix from The Isley Brothers "Shout!" to Smack My Bitch Up? I can, and I do it LIVE. Besides setting up the beatgrid and cue points on my tracks, nothing else is done ahead of time.

    I understand the vinyl DJ's hate of Digital DJs who just let the technology do all the work, or even worse pre-program a set and can't adapt on the fly. But DJing is not defined by its tools, its the skill of rocking a party and giving the dance floor what it wants. Knowing how to mix is an essential skill for being a DJ, knowing how to mix ON VINYL is not.

  • http://www.createdigitalmusic.com Peter Kirn

    @EUphio: I'm skeptical of that report, I must admit… I wonder if there's better tracking. In 1991, there were more brick-and-mortar retailers, most of whom were still carrying vinyl. But yes, there's certainly a market for vinyl. The issue is, if you already own a 1200 (or two, or more), you probably don't actively need another. And you don't need a 1200 per se to play a record, of course.

  • DJ_BrettG

    i want to know what dj spinna thinks about ableton live

  • http://ezmyrelda.com Ezmyrelda

    Co-sign? Concur?

    Anyway, Whether or not 12's are going away they are really expensive. Especially for someone that has had to deal with a whole range of quality in turntables. Is there any consensus on what the most solid turntable at about a $400 dollar range is? I would love a new matched pair of SL-1210M5Gs but they are like $650 new.

    The only other turntable I have really been considering is Numark TTx. Which would be a good fit for me but wouldn't allow me to use my precious Ms.Pinky vinyl.

  • Mark Kunoff

    I think **ELECTRONIC** music sounds so much better on vinyl.

    Oh and btw, did you hear? Areosmith is breaking up!!!! [evil grin]

  • Lord Toranaga

    nothing lasts forever.

  • http://ruinwesen.com Ruin

    Drum machines have no soul.

  • Lord Toranaga

    I still buy 12 inch singles, and lp records. These are ripped as soon as they arrive(in the mail). Then the digital files are played with. I will always buy vinyl, as long as it is an option. I can see "dj" style turntables becoming unprofitable, but for the next one hundred years or so, there will always be a market for some type of turntable. There is just too much vinyl in the world for turntables to completely vanish.

  • charlie

    between me and my brothers there was 6 1210's in our house last summer! we would be lost without them

  • http://www.e-lectronica.com/luthierlab/ Mudo

    Ruin any machine has soul and Technics will rebirth before die…

    http://www.luthierlab.com/index.php?option=com_co

    Check my POV (wrote yesterday Peter ;) )

  • http://www.TRACERfire.net John-Paul McCarthy

    Below is an excerpt from the email list of a local DJ equipment shop here in NZ. I'd received it this morning and thought it may be of interest to the CDM readers.

    -JP

    ——————————————-

    Latest news on the Technics Turntables Saga

    The worldwide frenzy of support for Technic Turntables since the announcement last week has taken Japan by surprise and they now seem to be back-pedaling…

    We have some more news today on the Technics saga. It appears that the frenzy of interest and support for Technics around the world, via the internet, since the break of the story last week has taken Japan by surprise and caught them on the back foot – they are now back-pedaling and saying that they haven't decided yet either way on the 1200s.

    We've spoken several times this week with James (the product manager here at Panasonic NZ), who has had a number of calls with Panasonic Japan over the last three days. While Japan haven't given us anything official as yet, James says that they have now told him that production of the Technics turntables is currently under review and that they haven't made an official decision yet either way – which marks a back-pedaling on what they'd said to him and Australia (and Russia?) earlier!

    Maybe Panasonic were planning to quietly end Technics production early next year without any great fanfare – but then the leak of the news last week, which subsequently spread like wildfire, and the worldwide frenzy that followed has completely caught them off guard and they are now reconsidering!

    Technics world sales have clearly slowed in recent times and perhaps Panasonic, who are a huge global consumer electronics corporation (and have been progressively phasing out Technics consumer electronics), have simply lost touch at a grass-roots level with the DJ community that is really passionate about the Technics 1200s, and just didn't expect this response – they wouldn't see this kind of massive reaction, for example, if they'd announced a certain model of plasma screen was to be discontinued.

    The guy at Panasonic Japan (I believe from the international sales & marketing arm) who leaked the info to NZ and Australia has evidently come under a lot of heat for this from his superiors and in turn Panasonic NZ and Australia have also received a lot of heat for passing this on to the retailers (like us). As I said we still don't have an official statement from Japan (which may take some time with the long chain of command at Panasonic) but maybe the 1200s have had an 11th hour reprieve and won't have to walk the green mile just yet.

    And to all the people around the world making noise to save Technics – keep it up, it seems to be getting through to Japan…

    We'll keep you updated as any more news come to hand.

    ——————————————-

  • http://mediumheavy.com hEAVYmENTAL

    I like this:

    "The golden age of scratch came about only because artists were irreverent and experimental, misusing and abusing equipment in a way that transformed music. It was not a musical movement born of pure nostalgia…"

    Unfortunately, this spirit isn't present in the elite vinyl/anti-digital purist dj point of view.

    I remember the same types of debates 5 years ago when i went from vinyl to cds. And I've even heard similar complaints about people using timecode vinyl systems, by people swearing that carrying a 50lb box of records is part of the 'ritual', lol.

    Don't fear the future. There's enough room for everybody to do their own thing. It can all have soul, and it can all be done with skill and finesse…and maybe even some new exciting techniques.

  • dyscode

    hEAVYmENTAL,

    I totally sign this!

    man puts the soul into the machine, not vice versa.

  • s ford

    was that the real dj spinna who posted above?

    if it is, thank you for your music. i used to play out your tune from the blue note remixes a shitload when i used to play out and a few other 12's. my memory's a bit smoked out so i can't remember the others exactly, but i've got the 12's somewhere there.

    it will be a sad day if the 1200 dies. let's not make this a debate of analogue v digital djing, the 1200 is one of the most iconic aspects of music. if this is it's death, then let us celebrate it's legacy.

  • Birds Use Stars

    @Ezmyrelda forget all the other stuff, buy a used pair of 1200s and never look back. My deck ran me $250, it's 10 years old and it's never even thought about failing me.

  • http://ezmyrelda.com Ezmyrelda

    @Birds Use Stars No, way.. No freaking way. My first pair of techs was used. my second pair of techs was used. Both of them had horrible karma. I'll buy one new and then the other but there is no way in hell I'm buying another badly treated completely fondled pair of techs. The next 1200s I own will be pristine and virgin. They will have one owner that treats them as well as they deserve. Me.

  • wax

    apologies for commenting to "djtechtools" – I read this all in a RSS reader and the post here and one from djtechtools appeared next to each other, I should have paid more attention!

  • Beetles

    Sounds like the Kodak story. Film enthusiast shouted blue MURDER, until they got their hands on their digital Hasselblads…

    When are we going to learn that it's not the TOOL as much as the CREATION. Beatmatching is not a musical skill by the way. It's a technical one. Harmonic mixing, moving a crowd, creating a great mix. That's musical skill.

    I think it's awesome how vinyl dj's can beatmatch. But would video editors still sit in a room and CUT the tape? Or do they focus on the quality of the movie and use Final Cut Pro….

    Musicians move on as well. Time to join the video editors and the photographers. It all boils down to the same thing. Creating. Keep the method to yourself.

  • fen

    Using vinyl – digital or not- is still the optimal form of controlling playing music. After so many tries with MIDI- based controllers, DJs all around the world still feel most comfortable with a pair of vinyls under their fingers. Technics 1200- series is perhaps the most established standart in the whole music industry- UAD aside. Why should they discontinue this? They are completely overpriced and nevertheless sell in huge numbers after all those years. I am not anti- futurist at all, I just believe in the supremacy of (digital) vinyl as the only form of non- restricting tool for DJing. There are blends ands fades you just can't do by BPM- matching on your iPhone. And yes, those are the things that build the fine line between the good and the best. DJing is just like every other job regarding the old truth that details make the difference.

    Wow, completely OT so far but that's where discussion is heading obviously. Less rage, more empathy from all sides would be recommended.

  • http://www.eatyone.com EATYone

    1200 is a magic number :D

  • http://www.jorgebarrientos.com Jorge from Madrid

    @ HeaVyMental and Lord Toranaga: Hell, yeah!

    I do buy vinyl, I've done my crate digging and love the smell and the taste of old stacks of records in a basement. Scratching cds it's very tricky and hard… but today's "crate digging" could be done from an hotel room reading marvelous blogs about music. Rarities, limited editions, you name it. Yes, blame me, I've got a Rapidshare account and download a lot of stuff. I'm killing the music industry.

    But, let me think… my last mixes are based on Creative Commons stuff. Brand new releases that never had a physical release. Pure wav/flac/mp3. And my Beatport/Juno accounts… hey! maybe I'm wrong but I thought djing was about finding and playing wonderful music.

    Finding, listening, then playing. BY ANY MEANS NECCESARY.

    Lately I've heard some dj sets from teenagers playing their iPods or MP3 cheap decks that blew my mind. Music was awesome. Period.

    How many people still bash agains Youtubers showing Ableton/decks/MPC's combinations?. The line between purists and zealots is thin.

    Is something like a Numark CDX an abomination or a terrific tool?. You could combine your spinbacks and poweroffs with looping / hot cueing and strutter effects. Both the best of vinyl and (blasphemous!) CDs. Add something like a DAW in sync and the possibilities are limitless. If we bring something like Serato's Itch to the mix?

    I love my 1200's. I love the crispy sound, the cracks and pops. I also love my Live 8, the crispy sound, the reapeats and automatic configurable time strecht. I love my iPod running Rockbox with built-in pitch control so I can preview how would sound one track at +3% while on the bus back home with a bag of second hand vinyl by my side.

    Forgive me for the long post but, please, think about it. The next music genius for the 2010's is now 14 and playing with Magix Music Maker or something like that, and can't afford 750€ turntables.

    Ah, by the way, I remembered… in Wildstyle, Grandmaster Flash was cutting in his kitchen!… and he wasn't using Technics and a thousand €/$ mixer. But he changed music forever.

    Peace to all oldschoolers and brand new digital dj's out there!

  • http://wonderewereldvanbenny.blogspot.com/ Benny

    @Beetles: yes! That's exactly what all those vinyl dj forget.

    But it is indeed a pitty that the Technics 1200 will be discontinued. That thing was really build to last. I have the feeling today's electronic devices are only build to last a few days more than there guarantee period.

  • J. Phoenix

    What interests me about this story is that it has spread so far and wide, leading to much eulogizing and good riddance-ing, with lots of cross-linked blogs, forums, twitters, and news outlets all going in circles and citing each other as proof. And more likely than not it probably did boost sales as well, with people believing they may only be able to get a 1200 second-hand now.

    I'm glad you posted the Scratchworx citing; I've been sending people there for info since it popped up in a couple forums.

    I don't think Pioneer would discontinue the Technics turntables without some sort of announcement, because of the obvious history involved. It'd be akin to Fender dropping the Stratocaster or Gibson letting the Les Paul go without a word.

    Especially given that slapping the Technics logo on a pair of headphones will sell them successfully, the continuation of digital vinyl control, the apparent rising sales of vinyl…

  • http://www.chokingsun.com dj mosquito

    @Birds Use Stars : agree completely with getting gear used.

    @Ezmyrelda : the key is finding the tell tale signs of abuse with used gear. i'll admit that i've had some bad experience with a couple of items, but in general the amount retailers want for brand new gear is just absurd.

    @Beetles : i think you hit the nail on the head with the kodak comparison, however i don't see vinyl disappearing. i don't see turntables either given the ever growing amount of software that uses encoded records.

    @Jorge from Madrid : nothing is off limits to me as a tool. i look at the "two camps" as any other pair of camps. it should be about what works for you and not what works for someone else. we all find our optimum approach to working with time. i am glad to know someone else is out there giving their music away. we do the same thing, but don't get a lot of takers. i blame it on being avant-garde.

  • df

    use whatever you like, but my 1210's are 15 years old and never had anything (and i didn't treat the too good). I don't know how many kilometres they travelled with me…

    How long will your Serato Scratch last?

    Would be a sad day if they disappear from the market.

  • Greg

    I've been to many parties and seen many DJ's yet I can't remember whether they had turntables or Pio CDJ or laptop or gramophone. Probably because it doesn't matter at all. The whole argument about analog vs digital is like two stand-up comedian arguing which mike is the best.

  • http://products.construction.com vinyl building produ

    Vinyl is so much better than all the new stuff. Oldschool is the way to go

  • http://www.createdigitalmusic.com Peter Kirn

    Okay, I want to see someone DJ with gramophones, the ones with big horns. It'd be like a steampunk dance party.

    Alternatively, monome and pipe organ.

  • DUNNO

    @df: You couldn't have chosen a worse example as serato is rock solid and you need turntables to control it!! (i would totally agree with numark and other sh***)

    yes, I love my mk2's like my labtop and my monome! :P

  • http://www.createdigitalmusic.com Peter Kirn

    Actually, that's an interesting question.

    Open source software can theoretically last forever. And sometimes it comes close to it… lots of people are still using Csound, which has a direct lineage to the very first software synthesizer. That's even more impressive than something lasting physically, that's something that has stayed *relevant*, that hasn't become obsolete, over the course of nearly half a century.

  • DUNNO

    why would somebody still want to write down audiofiles rather than create them in a GUI?

  • http://chokingsun.com dj mosquito

    @peter Kirn : get me a pair of gramophones and i'll do it. :D

    @Greg : analog vs digital, mac vs pc, vi vs emacs, etc etc etc. its always a stupid argument. my favorite with digital vs analog is that at the end of the day, maybe 5% of the people can tell the difference and probably only half of them own the equipment to accurately reproduce it in order to really tell the difference.

  • http://www.createdigitalmusic.com Peter Kirn

    @dj mosquito. Stupid argument? No, I disagree. The only way to go is recording direct to cassette tape, editing with the Atari and a copy of the old version of Cubase, burning to vinyl, and then DJing with a gramophone.

    Really. It's the only way.

    The only one.

    (actually, that would be amusing if that DID turn out to be the best way of doing things…)

  • http://chokingsun.com dj mosquito

    @Peter Kirn: now THAT's hysterical!

    (we still run a copy of cubase 5 under mac os 9 fyi)

    but really, everyone is different and should use what works best for THEIR workflow.

  • Count Drala

    @Peter Kirn: As soon as I rig up mech-fetish means to pre-listen tracks on the gramophone (and amass a decent collection of 78's), I'll send you the flyer for the Hot Pipes Steampunk Ball. By airship. (I'll need you're latitude and longitude).

  • Aaron

    I dont think I've seen it on any sites that've reported on this that it could be a potential sales move by Pioneer… I wouldn't rule it out. OMG THEY'RE GOING AWAY GOTTA BUY NOOOOOW.

  • license

    @Mudo: from Ruin I'm sure that was sarcasm.

    from his old site (http://ruinsite.jomdom.net/about.php):

    "I have the Drum Trak being the clock master for the rest of my drum machines, the tr-626, tr-707 and DJxBII."

  • http://www.createdigitalmusic.com Peter Kirn

    Record players have no soul.

  • http://mediumheavy.com hEAVYmENTAL

    i enjoy watching people practicing the ART of beatmatching. i don't even care about the songs…i just want to see them manipulate the platters and pitch sliders like a real dj. matching two songs in time is the ULTIMATE.

    btw, i didn't post this from a fancy computer. it was submitted via facsimile…OLD SCHOOL!

  • http://regend.com Regend

    @Devil's Advocate in regards to the things you described you couldn't do with vinyl…i can…i used to hang out with a bunch of tablists who would practice 6 hours a day just for two to three battles out of the year. the needle dropping and other "tricks" i learned pretty much cover what you described. check out Allies videos feature Craze, Develop, Spiktakular, Infamous, J-Smoke, and Klever from circa 96 to 99 for references. For some really off the wall stuff check out Slyce's juggle routines, Noize's 96 DMC set, and Mysterios ridiculous routines. Also, the homie DJ Quix has some wicked routine that are ridiculous fast mash ups from a stack of about 100 records he would quickly go through in a few minutes. For general mixing the mash up masters Spinbad and DJ P really formed the basis for a lot of mixing for these times.

  • lematt

    well: death of the vinyl was announced when the CD came out and see, we still can buy A LOT of vinyl records.

    old analog synths were told to be dead when digital synth with memory (and no soul ;) ) came out… and see: we still have and love analog synth, and there's even brand new analog (and modular ! ) synthetisers for those who want some.

    it's the same with Rhodes elctric pianos or wurlitzers, if you want one, you can find one even if the old models are like 30 years old.

    about deejaying, as i dj a lot, i couldn't find something that really replaced the spontaneous way you can handle two tracks with vinyls.

    i stopped buying vinyls a while ago, and since i buy digital tracks and dj with traktor or ableton live. but i really prefer the traktor way over the ableton one.

    the main problem for me is to find a really good controller to dj with digital files. so far the best controllers seems to be the Vestax VCI 100 and the EKS products, but i'd love to see some really simple and strongly built alternatives: something with a big, heavy, strongly built jog wheel (like on the Pioneer CDJ1000), a long pitch bend fader and 6 buttons. No blinking LEDS everywhere and thousand of useless functions.

    vinyl control is cool, and i understand the dj who choose to keep on their old school (but lighter for the back :) ) way of mixing, but seriously: don't you think it's ridiculous to use cutting edge technologies (laptops, top notch programs that we couldn't imagine like 10 years ago) controlled by vinyls and time code ??

    come on ! CREATE SOME NEW CONTROLLERS !

  • lematt

    oh and:

    BLOGS HAVE NO SOUL

  • df

    As long as it sounds good, it is good. Discussion closed. ;)

  • http://www.chokingsun.com dj mosquito

    @lematt : i love the Denon DN-HC1000S.

  • http://soundcloud.com/corticyte corticyte

    I heard Panasonic were discontinuing certain models, but continuing to manufacture the MK5s. I don't believe they could be stupid enough to stop production entirely.

  • http://www.createdigitalmusic.com Peter Kirn

    @lematt: HA! Can I quote you on that?

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  • http://ruinwesen.com Ruin

    @Peter Kirn; you need to type out Create Digital Music on a ribbon typewriter and mail it to people who sign up for your newsletter.

  • http://ruinwesen.com Ruin

    Also: the worldwideweb has no soul. i prefer bbs'

  • http://www.createdigitalmusic.com Peter Kirn

    Ha… don't get me started, man, I miss BBSing. ;)

    And somewhere my brain probably still remembers GEnie commands…

  • 1200 bye bye

    bout time!

  • oxymoron

    I just use my 1200 for listening to albums. It is just a beautiful hulk of a machine that keeps going (mine is 12 years old; I'm owner #3 or #4).

    We've all been burned by OS updates (or OS-switching), version updates, and driver issues on our software or audio IO. Hardware like the 1200 turntables just keep doing what they do.

    Hey, I'm all for the flexibility and scaling of digital; but sometimes I need the comfort and heft of the electro-mechanical.

  • http://www.myspace.com/theflickeringlightmusic Ewigland

    @ Peter Kim: I collect 78" and has considered doing a DJ-set with two grammophones, imagine how cool it would be. The music would mostly consist of marches, old sing-a-long and foxtrot. True old school!

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