Octoloopy: a new Dr. Rex allows loading multiple loops, at last. But drum synthesis, sampling in Reason may steal the show.

As I mentioned earlier today, the big news story in the Reason and Record announcements is that you don’t need Record to record; Reason now does sampling. Here’s the full look at what’s new from Propellerhead’s software music workstations.

Highlights:

  • A new drum designer. Drum synthesis, sampling, REX loops, physical modeling, and effects modules drive a 16-pad drum instrument, so you’re no longer limited to faux 808s or samples – you can make your own drum sounds. This alone could help Reason find its way back into some workflows, I’d guess.
  • Everywhere there’s a sample, there’s sampling. Propellerhead have told me in the past that they really focus on consistency in engineering; in this case, I think they deliver. Anywhere you now see a sample waveform, in Reason 5 you can click to sample from an input. It’s simple, it’s in a way somewhat obvious – but that’s also why it matters.
  • Multi-core optimization. Reason and Record are already pretty light on system resources for what they can do; multi-core optimization is good news for newer CPUs.
  • Neptune pitch adjustment / voice synth: I’m still waiting on how this can be used in ways other than the generic-sounding, AutoTune-style correction and harmonization. Formant shift and other features look like they could be abused for more creative sound deign. Imogen Heap covers, also likely.
  • Dr. Rex Plus Eight. The “Octo” version of Dr. Rex makes it easier to load multiple REX audio loops, the Props’ format for beat-sliced audio. I’m assuming you’ll be able to use this in conjunction with sampling, but will confirm that. You actually can’t sample into Dr. Rex, unfortunately; it seems to me that the Rex workflow is an area that could use revisiting in Reason, generally. Let me know what you think, particularly if you use this aspect of the tool.
  • Block pattern sequencing. The sequencer continues to mature with arrangement features.

Other, more subtle features are improved, too, in each. It looks like some focused updates, at least, for current users.

The Record update is free for current users; Reasons upgraders will spend US$129 regardless of version. All other information:
http://www.propellerheads.se/

  • http://Noneatthemoment Ramon Tejada (band)

    oooooo

    very interesting…..!

  • http://tay0.com tay0

    First I was all "meh – because I can use Live to blah blah whatever" but I still use Reason as a compositional tool. That sampling and drum synthesis business have me thinking about upgrading…

  • http://www.twotigersmusic,net Ulonix

    I have a question with Dr octo… will be possible to re arrange the slice points directly and not having to use recycle to do that?

  • http://disapprov.es/ Matt

    I'm gonna have to say, I'm pretty bummed about the update overall; it looks like to use reason instruments in record 1.5, you have to upgrade to reason 5 — so to get neptune in record and keep using my reason instruments, I'll have to shell out $130, even if I'm not particularly excited about any of the other new features. I remember when they were first pitching record, I had gotten the impression that record would work with older reason versions too.

  • http://www.myspace.com/djhuski Dj Huski

    Can you sample the output of a Reason device as a loop and than auto-slice it to import the loop into the new Dr Rex (without having to buy Recycle)?

  • zenzen

    Thanks for the updates, Peter.

    Does standalone Reason 5 use a dongle?

  • Toranaga

    Win.

    no dongle for reason, only record

  • td

    to the best of my knowledge, YOu still need recycle to slice up loops (rex format)…

    Matt–Neptune is in Record, not Reason FYI

  • http://www.exodub.com Kyran

    @td: matt feares that if he upgrades his record, it will only be compatible with reason 5 and not 4. So if he want to use both neptune and his reason devices he'll have to shell out money for the reason 5 upgrade.

    (mind you I don't know if that's true, just trying to point out the misunderstanding)

  • s ford

    i think this looks like a pretty good upgrade. several new features, the drum synth and the live recording feature look very interesting. i personally would be very interested to see how the samplers as record function could work out. yeah sure there are countless progs and stuff which do a similar thing, but reason's modular structure could throw some very interesting possibilities. in addition to that reason is one of the stable progs around. i never really understood the 'closed' nature of reason/record (ie no vst/au) but i am beginning to believe it's a very good thing. not just for stability, but cut down on the number of available options, too many options can be a terrifying thing!

  • aje

    Blocks = Genius!

    For so long I waited for Ableton to create a better update link between clips in Session and Arrangement… here it is in Reason 5.0. It seems the way that this will work is this composer's dream come true at last.

    Thank you Propellerheads!

    A Win.

  • Lifer

    I've been beta testing it..got to say i dont like the sound quality much, still thin and brittle sounding to my ears.i really wish they had taken the opportunity to improve this.

    Nice new features but not exactly revolutionary.

    Drum rack in Ableton is better imho…

    All in all "meh.."

  • Paul

    Meh.

  • Bob

    Looks interesting, but the only way I can get excited about Dr.Octorex is if (as other posters have mentioned) it will slice up recorded samples into REX files automatically. If that is the case, it would be amazing.

  • salamanderanagram

    all in all, a bit disappointing.

    on the other hand, it's only $149 to buy record right now if you own reason, and you get a free update to reason 5 with it. since the upgrade is $129, that's only $20 to get record, which is pretty awesome.

    glad i didn't buy record!

    neptune and kong look *great*.

    octo-rex seems kinda like a waste of time but looks like editing will be faster which is a plus.

    blocks? this one seemed like a bad joke to me, like what, am i incapable of copy-pasting or something?

    live sampling, seems like a minor workflow improvement, nothing to crow over. seems to take some of the punch out of record too now that reason has audio input as well.

  • http://www.facebook.com/styrofoammusic arne

    That Kong thing looks cool. Lately, my main Reason use has been for building my own drum machine + fx combinators and export the results as audio loops. Very curious what difference there will be soundwise between doing that and using Kong. Also wondering whether the seperate Kong parts can be used in a modular way – I mean patched in between all other Reason devices through Spider audio/CV etc.

    One critical thought: isn't Propellerheads making people buy Recycle in order to be able to use REX files in Reason the same as if Ableton Live would start selling a seperate application called Warp just to enable you to use warped audio in Live? Doesn't make any sense to me…

  • salamanderanagram

    @arne, recycle is complete BS in my opinion. i agree completely.

  • http://www.candlenine.com/ Candle Nine

    Still no MIDI out in Record!? :(

  • ifthenwhy

    I for one am pretty excited with this announcement.

    While "Blocks" may look relatively mundane, Reason and Record have always needed a solid arrangement system and I do like how they have integrated it.

    In defense of Rex..One can create all sorts of sweet madness while playing the Rex file spread out on a keyboard, it's a pretty robust system that does a bit more than just time stretching.

    And as far as their business model..Reason has always been a closed system, so I don't begrudge Propellerheads for pushing their proprietary format one bit.

  • salamanderanagram

    no, i want them to push their proprietary format. it kicks ass. i just don't want to pay $250 for it. and dr. octo-rex is crippled by the fact that you need to spend that extra cash just to use it properly. lame.

    looking at dr octo-rex it does not have the new, added sample button that i have seen for example on the new redrum. so i think it's safe to assume, contrary to the article that dr. octo-rex will not allow for sampling.

  • BenitoIsAwesomr

    I had a nerdgasm.

  • J. Phoenix

    It is a little strange that Reason is pointing out the fact that (its) software samplers didn't include the ability to record audio, and then saying they're bringing recording back to software samplers.

    So your samplers weren't samplers until now? Next they'll tell me those swinging cables are just eye-candy.

    Surely someone out there has recorded an audio clip in Ableton and then dropped it right into a Simpler at some point in the past, right? Then again, probably not anyone in the marketing & advertising division.

    But I suppose its like Timberlake saying he's bringing sexy back, given most of us didn't know it had left.

    Still, advertising glitches besides, those new features are a good reason to upgrade; definitely a sound investment, even if you don't record.

    Okay, I'll stop with the puns. Wouldn't want to make anyone Thor or end up with a Redrum on our hands after getting Kong'ed in the head with a virtual rack.

  • http://www.quikphix.org xonox

    I'm delighted at this update. Drum synthesis is something that's seems uncommmon to me in today's music software. What kind of other options are out there besides the audiorealism and d16 plugins ?

    I think Reason + Record provide a lot of bang for the bucks :)

  • http://www.electricstone.com Andrew Stone

    There is drum synthesis in Live but it's not obvious as it's presented in Reason 5 and other DAWs allow you to do synthetic drums. Regardless the way it is set up in Reason 5 will make you want to use it.

    It's not a blow you away upgrade like Reason 4 was but you can be (almost) sure that it won't turn into the messy upgrade nightmare that we have seen with other music creation apps over the past couple of years.

    It's extremely good value, in my view and Propellerhead continues to NOT be sucked into the feature creep mentality that ruins almost every piece of software once it reaches the "mature" stage of development.

    I will be picking up my copy of Record for Reason and become a beta tester so I can enjoy some of the new features before it's public release in a few months.

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  • gallob

    Although I would have liked to see ReCycle integrated in Record/Reason (it will at some point, I am sure), I don't understand the all this criticism towards the Props for wanting to sell ReCycle separately.

    Ok, so Ableton Live allows you to slice audio within the program, but then you need to shelf the extra money to buy Operator, Sampler, Analog etc. It's like if you bought Record/Reason, then you have to buy Thor, Maelstrom, Subtractor, etc. separately.

    To put things quantitatively:

    Ableton Live Suite = $699

    Record/Reason Duo + ReCycle = $449 + $249 = $698

    So Record/Reason/ReCycle don't cost more than Ableton Suite. You can complain about ReCycle not being integrated but you cannot accuse the Props for wanting to profit from another one of their products. If you're still not convinced, jusk ask the guys at Ableton.

    BTW, this update is killer IMHO

  • s ford

    when it comes to drum synths, for non ableton/reason users, tattoo by audio damage is worth a look….

  • http://www.myspace.com/casimirsblake Casimir's Blake

    Still utterly uninteresting to me: I just upgraded to Ableton Suite 8 and will probably spend many months exploring its extra possibilities.

    Reason still has one gigantic failing: you cannot zoom the GUI! And this makes it almost unuseable to me.

  • http://www.createdigitalmusic.com Peter Kirn

    See update above – the basic workflow for REX remains the same.

    I also have trouble squinting at the screen, and I'm not getting any younger. ;) Fortunately, many other aspects in which Reason is stronger.

  • mallyone

    I love reason, for me though I had to move on, it was my first virtual production setup and it taught me all the basics and beyond. I think I tried 3, but there are a few plugins out there that blew me away sonically and I slowly migrated away from it.

    That being said, I still haven't found the perfect drum sythesis plugin… and the new drum plugin in reason sounds like it's going to be nice. Hope there is going to be a demo version to kick the wheels on.

    haha, and still no resizable window. You gotta admit though, when you see a window that size and shape, you think "Reason", or maybe you question "Reason?" :) .

  • eMBee

    I've been using ReCycle since it came out in the 90's and IMHO, it's aways been the fastest tool for creating slice edits, with a very quick and accurate zoom function that let's you really fine tune slice positions. (regardless of your eyesight Peter.) As much as a pain REX2 files may seem, they're really the most efficient way to slice audio and use the same files across multiple platforms. It's really well worth the money…

    You'll be able to do some really sick stuff with DrOcto, but I agree, I wish they would improve audio quality, now that they're improving multiprocessor support.

  • vinayk

    I started with reason 4, and then moved back to ableton live when I could afford the software. I liked the sequencer reason, and found it easy enough to use but always didn't love the sounds from the syths (or at least not without crazy patching.) Not to mention audio recording.

    I wonder however, if I was starting out now, with audio recording easily integrated, and the new drum machine, if I would have just stuck with reason/record alone? Seems like it can do most things, i'd be forced to learn to use their vsts (and the recycle bugbear), but It could probably do most of everything, so I think the props have made a good move.

    Still Logic on a mac costs the same, as does ableton suite (with recycle taken into account), so people have a lot of choice, I don't know what i'd do if i was starting out with no other knowledge? As it is, i've got a monome/apc and maschine on the way so my ableton/max4live setup is cemented. Will see if the drum machine or the general sound is good enough to upgrade

  • Toranaga

    blocks reminds me of using "opcode music shop" back in the '90s.

    seems like a lot of fun

  • http://www.darrenhalm.com Darren Halm

    I remember using Reason when it came out, around 99-00? There was really nothing else that could do what it could, with such low CPU-drain (I was using a 333Mhz clamshell iBook). I never used the synths (except for dummy LFOs to route to params), solely using it as a sampler (Redrum, Rex, NN). I haven't used it in years. Seeing this article made me remember how easy and intuitive the interface was. Hell, I LIKE the sequencer, giant clunky piano-roll and all. I just picked up Reason 3 off eBay last night for $79. What the hell for a quick and easy drum programmer I can route into Live.

  • simon

    @Peter and Casimir If you're on a mac, alt + scroll wheel will work :)

  • abluesky

    I'm all down. While I love using Live, sometimes I get really frustrated by the CPU limitation and bugginess. I'm excited to get back into Reason and explore the new features without maxing out my CPU so fast. Very excited for Kong and resampling my VST and analogs into Reason. Looking forward to exploring the sound design possibilities of Neptune. Maybe even finally getting into REX loops.

    I'm excited! Can't wait to see how other players respond.

  • salamanderanagram

    "To put things quantitatively:

    Ableton Live Suite = $699

    Record/Reason Duo + ReCycle = $449 + $249 = $698"

    and that's fine, i don't consider reason to be overpriced. on the other hand, i'm not going to pay $250 to slice up audio files. that's ridiculous. not to mention ableton has vst support, midi out, and a slew of other capabilities that reason does not.

  • gallob

    and way more crashes. Priceless….

  • salamanderanagram

    yep, i'm still on ableton 7 for a reason. it never crashes, ever.

    the only thing in ableton 8 worthy of an upgrade is maxforlive, sure as heck i'm not going to pay $200 just for the right to buy another $300 program.

  • sixnon

    @Kyran and thus @td, it is, in fact, true. The upgrade path for Record + Reason users is broken unless they upgrade to Reason 5 [paid]. I understand that there are technological reasons for this, but for someone who purchased a Reason and Record license it seems a very poor marketing/customer satisfaction decision.

    I cannot upgrade Record without loosing ALL Reason functionality even though I have a Reason for Record [or Record for Reason] license.

  • salamanderanagram

    given that the record update is free, you don't have *that* much to complain about. ;)

  • sixnon

    I know, I do honestly, hell I got Record + Reason 4 upgrade for $129…it just seems completely counterintuitive with Propellerheads philosophy, backwards compatability etc.

  • http://mucca-pazza.org Andy

    I am still on Reason 3 (been a user since version 1), but I'll upgrade to Reason 5. Version 4 was not compelling to me as a user. I think I'm in a weird little pocket of Reason users. I don't use the Redrum at all. I'm a drummer and ReWire Reason into Logic, using Reason for the NN-XT, synths, and effects, doing live drums, etc. in Logic. Strangely one of the things I'm most excited about in R5 is Kong. Admittedly I have used Reason less and less as I've gotten to know Logic.

    I'll do the Record for Reason users upgrade. I've been saying for years (and getting laughed at on the Reason user forums) that the next logical step in Reason was audio-in. They accomplished 95% of this with Record, now with sampling at any sample selector in Reason 5, they've completed the functionality. I feel so vindicated!

  • Yodhan

    I am pretty psyched about some of the new items. Kong makes my mouth water. Neptune looks pretty cool. I am not so sure about Blocks. It looks like a half-hearted attempt to take out Ableton. I use Live and Reason almost exclusively. I love the sounds of Reason and the modular, fluid composition form of Live and use them together all the time and love it.

  • http://www.createdigitalmusic.com Peter Kirn

    Yeah, I'm not sure on the ReCycle thing, either, to be honest. The tool itself needs updating, it's not clear why at this point it's not part of Record/Reason as a product offering or even workflow-wise, and the pricing no longer really makes sense. The tool itself remains cool and led to a lot of these other things; I just want a new answer on what it means. I'll ask them if they can explain.

  • s ford

    recycle hasn't been updated in ages. i thought it was a product which propellerheads has kind of left in their line, but have kind of stopped stuff for it. in now days it's a bit of a archaic tool, but in it's day it was a revolutionary tool mainly for those who wanted to chop up loops for hardware samplers.

    i reckon it's just been kind of forgot about.

    i myself have never been a user of reason, well i tried it but found it's sound engine a little thin at times, which i thought were due to the failures of my own production techniques.

    there's not a massive amount of point comparing progs with other progs. in this day and age, i believe the choice in the market is great; pretty much every particular choice is represented.

  • http://www.quikphix.org xonox

    I've been wondering about ReCycle too. Are they going to upgrade it or put that functionality back into Reason. I'd like to create my own rex2 files since i'm not using any premade ones…

    @galob, nice way of putting software costs, didn't think of it :)

    When some stand alone synth plugins cost 100-200$, i think that even if someone uses another DAW, Reason provides a lot of synth power for the money.

  • nick

    would anyone care to comment on a couple of points:

    how steep is the leaning curve if you're new to reason/record. i have a lot of "old school" studio experience and would like to return to that workflow which reason/record seems to represent(more than live, logic and p.t. etc.)

    and i read a prophedz interview in tape op and they CLAIM their sw doesn't crash. true?

  • salamanderanagram

    @nick i've been using reason for 3 years now and it has *never* crashed. not once.

  • aje

    I would like to see them update ReCycle to version 3.0, and include more audio editing features, plus the ability to open it up within Record/Reason.

    Peter – if this is their plan anyway, I doubt they will answer your question, … but let us know if they do!!

    Otherwise, I suspect they will make it free sometime soon and discontinue support.

  • Jack

    People complain about the quality of the Reason synths, saying there is lots of aliasing. I amn't really in a position to comment, except to say that Thor is my favourite synth!

    My feeling is that Reason is being judged unfairly in this regard. Any thoughts?

  • http://www.quikphix.org xonox

    @nick: i'm back to Reason after a few years of using something else. Back in the days, Reason 1.0, 2.0 and 2.5 must have crashed about once a year on me. Very rarely they did crash.

    So, i think it is safe to assume the software very rarely crashes.

    The learning curve back in Reason 1.0 was not too high. I tried the demo for quite a while and decided to spend the money on it.

    Perhaps you should try the demo and see how you like it.

    @Jack: I remember the subtractor aliased at high resonance and high cutoff frequency when running at 44khz. Maybe this is fixed now. I would think that Thor is better but haven't checked…

  • Isaac

    Can you apply different tunings with Reason 5 samplers? I mean, does it allow you to tune each note individually to any pitch? If not Reason is no good to me. Why offer 'octave stretching' but no way to try alternative tunings? I think it's a serious mistake in previous versions.

  • salamanderanagram

    @isaac, you can already tune each note individually in NN-XT. or maybe you're looking for something more complex?

  • http://mucca-pazza.org Andy

    Been using Reason since version 1. Has never crashed on my Macs.

    ReCycle…considering the investment in Octo Rex, they obviously see a future in the format/file type. I would not be surprised to see a ReCycle device in a future update to Reason.

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  • johan

    REASON NEVER EVER CRASHES!!!! at least for me..in 8 years. i swear to god. its true.

    Ableton 8.1.1 (which i also love) crashed like.. halfanhour ago..probably due to a vst-plug though. but still…

  • Romain

    Recycle is a pain un the ass to use. Not to mention the fact that proprietary rex files are a good thing as long as they don't get in the way of the workflow. I am hoping for some integration of recycle within reason or at least some way to transform a generic aiff or wav file effortlessly into a rex file within the reason browser. Also, recycle 2 has been around for ages and it is a bit dated now. The new "recycle", integrated in reason of course, should propose parameters such as "16th note slicing, transient slicing, manual, etc".

  • ifthenwhy

    would anyone care to comment on a couple of points:

    how steep is the leaning curve if you’re new to reason/record.

    I would maintain that if you are new to Reason/Record AND are fundamentally comfortable with "Old School" recording, then the physical UI metaphors that Propellerheads use (racks, patch cables etc) will have you feeling less confused/intimidated than say Live or even Pro Tools? At least I was.

    Some people hate the cables. Man I love em.

    and i read a prophedz interview in tape op and they CLAIM their sw doesn’t crash. true?

    Yep. Remarkably true. In my experience (in both live shows and paid studio gigs) no one touches Propellerheads in terms of bug crushing stability.

  • bliss

    It's been 10 years and Propellerheads still haven't integrated ReCycle's ability into Dr. Rex, or at least Dr. OctoRex? WTF? I mean, when I bought Reason 1.0 – still have the CDs and everything – it was easy to wish that Dr. Rex would slice AIFF and WAV files automatically. So, I know Propellerheads have considered the same thing all these years. And for each subsequent release to v. 1.0, there's been a choir of Reason users looking for that added functionality as the first point of consideration to upgrade; as just happened with me here.

    ReCycle must be a cash cow. There seems to be no other good reason why that old tech isn't a feature of Reason's current implementation.

  • bliss

    Of course, I realize that Dr. Rex wouldn't be called "Dr. Rex" without it referring to .rex/rx2 files — but that's quite limiting when Propellerheads' own homegrown tech is capable of doing more.

  • http://mucca-pazza.org Andy

    @bliss, integrating ReCycle functionality into Reason required one major hurdle – audio input. Now in version 5 we have audio input and the ability to record into any sample-ready rack device, as well as the multi-tracking of Rercord. The chances of getting a ReCycle-like device in Reason (or Record) just went way up.

  • Dave

    Propellerheads used to produce innovative software.

    today, their software is lackluster compared to the competition.

    Props have a lot of catching up to do, starting with a new version of Recycle imo.

  • Dad

    Perhaps a little perspective is in order: If you all took half the time Propellerheads devoted to making this program, and put it into learning how to use Reason & honing your own craft, you'd have a kick-ass album done. Instead, you're just a bunch of dudes I've never heard of, crapping on some small feature that wasn't included in the upgrade. Crap on your own small feature, dude. Love, Dad

  • Phattfoniks

    Loving this update. I have a MPD24 and im thinking if i just bind that to kong ive basically got an mpc right? :D i can live sample my decks straight into the kong and SHAZAAM beats time. Thanks Props! Cant wait.

  • pdxborn

    @phattfoniks… Reason has always had the ability to use the dr rex and the MPD24, triggerfinger, anything with pads as a faux MPC. Just load up your dr Rex, Adjust your ADSR A=0 D=127 S=variable R=127 and POW, you've just created an MPC.

    you can youtube it and get some examples if you want to.

  • Troublemaker

    Yawn…

  • Me

    At the end of the day, making good music has little to do with which software's you use or which instruments you play but has a lot more to do with how you use them.

  • drno

    So happy. The way I have my rack set up, I lose alot of processing power and end up using nx-xt's for a lot of sounds since they barely use any cpu. Now I can stack thors and combi's. I'll get a i7 4 core machine when this comes out. Happy joy.

    Those new additions are sweet, but I think they are making it way to easy to make music these days.

  • project b

    reason 1, 2, 2.5, 3, 4. Used them since the beginning. Never crashed once. Bring on 5. It doesn't matter what equipment you use. If you havnt got talent then your gonna fail anyways. Thinking they're making it too easy to make music these days……? Strange. Maybe they should over complicate things, that would be better.

  • Andy J

    @ Troublemaker – it always amazes me that people like you still make the effort to display arrogance… go and yawn infront of a mirror.

    @Dad – LMAO

    I get on well with Reason Record and bought at just the right time to get the free upgrade to R5/R1.5. I get on well with the workflow, visual gimmics, stability and support. Yes out of the box some sounds sound staid… but that's why we tweek… I also agree that less is more… so if you learn Reason Record well this is more than a stable foundation for other DAWs…

    I've already produced a track for TV using Reason/Record within the first month… The only thing I'm wanting at the moment is the ability to warp transients in my audio clips to tidy up the audio I record…

    I would recommend Reason Record to newbies everytime, and experienced recording musicians already have it…

  • tree

    no midi out = retarded daw

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  • http://burningtoken.com loopDuplicate

    @tree

    It's not a DAW.

    @Dad

    Sad but true.

    "I would recommend Reason Record to newbies everytime, and experienced recording musicians already have it…"

    Me too. I started with computers and music in 1988 working with Cakewalk on Windows 2.1 on a 386. My friends were jealous because they had 286s :)

    Ever since then, I wanted what Reason has. Having Reason/Record is seriously a dream come true. I just can't believe when people say they don't like it.

    Making music is easy? No way. Doesn't matter what software you have. Making noise is easy, I guess.

    Reason doesn't crash for me either. I've used versions 1, 2, 2.5, 3, and 4. I'm eagerly awaiting August 25th so I can get my free Reason 5 upgrade.

    Peace

  • http://ludocavic.blogspot.com Ludocavic

    Argggg. No update on rex workflow…. Arggggggg

    What a pain it is to have to cut in recycle, without midi triggering in it :o

    I mean, you place markers with your mouse and cannot even jam with your keyboard to see if the slicing is ok… No, you have to load it in Reason, check if it sounds good or not and come back to recycle, change the markers….

    This is quite a shame and such a loss of time for people working with samples …

    Please, Props, please, include the G*d damn Recycle capability in Reason… :o

    For the rest, well, it's funny to insiste on the "sample" capabilities, as they are just coming to other DAWs standards… A sampler where you cannot actually sample is not really a sampler :) Meaning Reasons samplers are just becoming samplers :) Wouuuuhouuuu!!

    ;)

  • tree

    @loopDuplicate, record may not be a "daw" and props describe it as "a whole new take on music recording". But facts are is does most of the things that a daw does in the same price range except you can't use 3rd party plugins and there's no midi out, which makes it (in my opinion only) a retarded daw. Don't get me wrong, I really do like alot of things about reason and have used it alot over the past few years BUT the only advantage to record over rewiring to say cubase or ableton, is that there are a few nice features like say "select all in pitch range" which is useful for cutting up loops and processing individually etc., otherwise its layout is clunky and it's audio editing methods are adequate at best. I understand that 3rd party plugs could seriously compromise stability and hence workflow which would diminish one of its best features but lack of midi out i'll never understand. I think it's purely a financial decision on props behalf not to release it now and it WILL be a feature of Record 2. Thats my two cents :)

  • tree

    ps. the reason i say this is because i like using reason but rewiring is an outdated pain in the ass!

  • http://www.weenaut.com Niko

    It is absurd when people say Reason has "thin" sounding synths. This says more about the user than it does about Reason. It's an urban myth. Synthesis 101 people: An Analog modeling synth is an analog modeling synth. Period. Oscillators use pretty much the same wave forms-square,saw, sine(Subtractor uses many more than most). Layer 3 graintable patches in a Combi and it's still "thin" and I say you know nothing about synth programing. Thor? Now you can layer three analog synths together. Still "thin"? Plz Bottom line on all this banter is this: if you can't make some sweet,amazing, creative, mind blowing electronic music with Reason(far more than Brian Eno ever had when he made some of the best electronic music ever)than you might not want to quit your day job.

  • Mark

    Reason fails to deliver once again. It's funny watching how desperate Reason fanboys will come up with the most far-fetched arguments in order to defend their software of choice.

    ReCycle being the most "efficient" way to slice loops? Are you people insane? Most music packages have all the functionality of ReCycle built-in to the software. You can do everything ReCycle does right inside your DAW witthout having to load another program and mess around with opening/saving of files.

    I especially like the user who argued that Reason + Record + Recycle is better beacause it costs $1 less than Ableton, even though Ableton does everything all those of programs do and it does it without needing external software.

    $1 is well worth having all that functionality integrated into a single package without needing to constantly load/save files into Reason after modifying them in ReCycle.

  • Kev

    The saddest part is that Propellerheads described this update as being "all about beats". If this was the beat-oriented update and they still haven't added slicing capabilities, I think Reason users are going to be SOL on the slicing front for quite some time.

    Most of the producers I knew who used Reason already abandoned it for Ableton and FL Studio, primarily due to this issue. I can't see anyone but the hardest fanboys sticking around after this knowing the update most likely to include this functionality once again failed to provide it.

    There is nothing Reason can do that can't be done in any other package but there are hundreds of things that can be done in any other package that can't be done with Reason.

  • Kenny S

    Engaging in debates that try to "prove" the superiority of one's music software of choice over other programs simply demonstrates your insecurity. Why does anyone need to believe that the software they use is so much "better" than anything else? When I'm getting good results (i.e. producing good music!)with the tools I'm using, I have no interest in trying to disprove the usefulness of other tools, which many others manage to find useful. The idea that any particular software (or hardware) product is fundamentally lacking because I couldn't be productive with it or simply because I wasn't inspired by it, seems absurd on the face of it! I mean how the hell do I know what thousands of other folks might be able to accomplish with Reason or even some 20 year old tracker program? The fact that I can't get something out of it, does NOT prove that it CAN'T be done.

  • http://N/A Mefimabit

    Why o Why must The latest Bloat called Reason 5 not allow me to asign synths to an imported midi file instead of racking up however many combinators.. Like it used to.. Bloat Bloat, just as well I never payed for it, but downloaded it.. Thank god I tried the full version first..

  • drno

    Reason 5 could have been much better considering how long it took. Its like they aren't paying attention to the competition at all. I'm a huge fan of reason, its how I make my music. After trying the demo, for me the multi core support is the ONLY reason I updated to 5. I needed that bad. Had to get a new quad machine for it since it doesn't work with p4 hyperthreading. 5 takes a lot more cpu now, which is fine if you have a quad. Kong is nice of course, but was it really necessary? Not everyone makes drums with mpcs. Programming great drums was never a problem with redrum n the nn-xt with individual outs. If you take Kong out of the picture, your left with Reason 4 really, with a couple odds n ends thrown in. The new REX is more steps to use than needed. I made a combinator that does the same thing with 4. You have outdated effects (its a pain routing synths to the kong fx), the same synths. THOR makes the other synths sound like toys unless you combinate them to death. Now you have to wait another 3 years for what? An updated Subractor? The mixer should have been updated without the need to get Record. Recycle should have been integrated into 5. I have too much invested in Reason to move to something else, but I could see how people who have used Reason in previous versions would try something else after using 5 vs the competition. Its a disappointing release. Thanks goodness it has multi core support or I would have skipped this version.

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  • Isaac

    @salamanderanagra No, you can tune each sample individually, but since each sample is used by more than one note, tuning a sample affects all the notes that triggers it. Other programs allow you to tune the note itself.

  • http://vsavagellc.com Hiphop Production Tr

    Everyone has to cry about something why is this?

    Ok some people like using the Mpc for beats therefore the Kong unit won't do much for them… Ok but there are those that do soo… Take away Kong and you have Reason 4… Ok take a way the combi/mastering suite and you have reason 2 .. big deal.

    I have templates that do exactly what the combi unit does so does that mean the combinator is worthless? The object of the game is work smarter not harder. I don't know about you but i do this for a living so if im payng a silly 130 for a couple of upgrades owell its going to pay for itself not to mention i can just write it off. You can make great synth sounds with just the sub and some fxx simple as that. I've done sound design for Linplug with nothing but Malstrom or Subtractor and a bunch of eq's and fx

  • Neluka

    shall we use this on win 7 ???????

  • JamesS

    I've got no idea how the  Reason/record duo stack up against other software, but I do know that neither reason 4, nor reason 5, nor record 1.5 has EVER crashed on me. Come to think of it, I haven't even seen it hang momentarily…. EVER.

    I think it is an incredible software achievement, and in terms of what you can do with it, I think the limitations are with the user, not the software.

  • Swan

    I agree with some of the comments here. I'm surprised they haven't made the whole GUI expandable. You can detach the editing window, which helps, but having to work the smaller interface is tedious if you produce a lot. Also, since Reason 4, I'm not enchanted with the changes to the editor window. It's hard to edit older songs, especially since I've done a lot of MIDI recording without auto quantizing. I'll miss Reason, and may still use it, but I think it's time to move on; I prefer more fluid control, and many of the plugins designed for progs like Cubase will be suitable as sequencers and drum machines.

  • http://cybersequencerreviews.net cyber sequencer

    I've been a huge fan of Reason since 2001 as someone stated above I've never had the program crash on me. It's stability is amazing The sound quality is incredible and the workflow is to die for.

  • http://cybersequencerreviews.net cyber sequencer

    Yes Neluka it works flawlessly on windows 7

  • yer maw

    Doesn't matter what propellerheads do, until they have full vst support, all reason is good for is sequencing, end of!

  • http://vsavagellc.com Piano Chord Tutorial

    Maw,

    You are a moron