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If you’re eagerly awaiting Live 9, we now have solid dates from Ableton. The Berlin developer will release Live 9 to the public on March 5, available for immediate download. Their new Push hardware should be available shortly thereafter; from March 5, you’ll be able to preorder.

CDM will have a full hands-on review of Live 9, and the world-exclusive first online English review of Push for the launch date. So, if there’s something you’d like us to test or something you want to know, shout out in comments.

Now, that review will focus on how to actually make music with Live, not only whether you should buy it. That said, if you are certain you’ll want Live 9 and don’t yet own a copy of Live, now may be the smart time to buy. Through the 4th of March, you can still get a 25% discount on Live 8 and all the instrument packs and such. The Live 9 upgrade is then free. So, you have until March 4 to get Live for 25% less; it reverts to the original pricing thereafter.

More on the Ableton blog:
Ableton Live 9 & Push – Coming March 5

At top, a view of my test Push, which I’ve been greatly enjoying. Look forward to spending some quality time in the studio this weekend – hope your weekend is similarly full of music. See you Monday.

  • bo

    Hey Peter, it would be great if you could elaborate on how much you can edit the instruments parameters with push. Will it still be limited to a max of 8 pages with 8 parameters? Or can you edit everything now? Like is it possibe to edit everything about a drum rack without using the mouse? Thanks. Looking forward to the review.

    • bloodynails

      Ableton has already answered those questions and more in their forum.
      Push can only control Live’s own devices. Plugins will need to be saved
      as a rack beforehand in order for Push to control them. There are many
      aspects of Live’s Drum Racks that Push will not have access to, and thus
      still require using the mouse, such as slicing, editing unwarped audio
      clips, loading samples, controlling Drum Rack’s mixer and sends,
      duplicating Drum Rack pads…etc.

    • LRC

      Another maschine troll… Maschine and Push are 2 very different beasts. Personally I’m interested in the production side : 64 pads, aftertouch, deep integration withy Live. This is an instrument not a controller, so I’m definitely sold on Push.

    • julienbayle

      no.
      no need to put plugins in rack.
      using the configure button on the plugin, then selecting parameters you need to control in Live (and on Push) is enough.

  • Miguel Marcos

    I’m envious! Looking forward to that report, though.

  • zloo

    is there any word on Live firing off video clips from Session View, scene by scene?

    what’s my best bet for doing that?..

    • James Myr

      i don’t think it’s natively possible with ableton session view. but it would be a relatively simple project to do in max 4 live.

  • James Myr

    Very interested in finding out the midi protocol! Or OSC would be lovely of course.

    Can you access the LCD displays?

    More interested in finding out what I can do with it when not using Live. All of the Live functionality seems pretty straight forward, well implemented, and understandable. But how easily can I get those RGB disco pads going crazy? and flash expletives on the lcd displays? heh.

    • Jimbolaya

      Is SYSEX getting handled in Max4Live?

    • James Myr

      you can still only receive limited midi messages through live tracks using the midiin object. however, you could use udp to send sysex from an external max app, or if you’re on mac osx you can use Leigh Hunt’s midi externals which can access all midi data and send on different midi channels. Apologies if that’s the wrong name, i’ll try and check it.

    • http://twitter.com/markeats Mark Eats

      Yeah I too would really like to hear more about how easy it will be use the push with other software or create apps that can connect to it and take advantage of all it’s features. Is it communicating via a standard/open protocol?

  • Trash80

    Yay! March 5th is my birthday! Aww Ableton you didn’t have to, but thanks anyway for thinking about me.

  • lemmings

    Hey CDM, What I would like to know about Live 9:
    1. Can Drum Rack hotswap samples without having to go to the browser? Right now in Live 8 if you want drum kit where you can use the macros to scroll through different samples, you have to create several instrument racks and use the Chain Selector to scroll through them, and depending on how many samples it can take up a lot of RAM.

    2.Same thing but for presets on devices and effects.

    It seems like they would have had to implement this functionality for Push, because Push can do these things, but I’m curious if you can do this with other midi controllers or use the macros.

    • James Myr

      You can now access hotswap and scroll the browser using the max 4 live and midi remote script (python) api. I can’t see any way to access it with midi mapping, although it might be added in the next few weeks before release. It would be pretty simple to build a max 4 live device which entered hot swap mode and let you scroll about, which you could then map to midi or macros of device racks.

    • lemmings

      you can scroll up and down through the browser with a knob, but you can’t have one knob just for scrolling through a kicks folder and another for scrolling through a snares folder. but isn’t this what push can do? I saw on the video that he wants to just change the snare, so he just moves a knob under the “snare” menu. So I was thinking maybe you could do that with any midi controller too?

    • lemmings

      ok scrap everything I just said, just figured out multisample mode on the sampler allows for this stuff without hogging ram…

  • Velocipede

    If you are a Live 8 user, you might want to check your account for a discounted upgrade for a short window in March. I am seeing $50 off my upgrade price to 9 suite.

  • Mike

    Can we assume that the Push controller will not be restricted to the Session View Clip Slot limitations of the Launchpad and APC40 (64 tracks x 125 rows I believe)? Has a set number of addressable rows and tracks been established?

    • James Myr

      I don’t think there’s any need for it to be limited, and I didn’t realise the launchpad and apc’s had that limitation. There’s plenty of max 4 live and midi remote script (python) Clip Launchers that don’t have any limitations. I’d be very surprised if it was and can’t see any mention of a limit on the website or push beta forum.

  • Makers

    Load a new project with remote MIDI message? Been waiting a long time for this feature.

    • James Myr

      As far as I know this is implemented in the live 9 beta as of yet. I haven’t seen any talk of it on the beta forum either.

      There is now a possibility it could be done with max 4 live or python though. in live 9 we can access the browser through the api, i haven’t tried but it may be possible to load a live set instead of device or clip. This could then me mapped to a remote midi message.

  • og

    i see you have 4 modes, create beats(step sequencer), play melodies, record ideas(session view/clip launcher) and Perform Live. What could the “Perform Live” mode be? any ideas?

    • James Myr

      session view interface, like the launchpad or apc i think.

    • sk

      James, og mentioned “session view” as a “record ideas” option. if you’re right then what “recording ideas” is?

  • Jeffwry

    the after-touch is monophonic, find out if this can be changed with a firmware update or not. the argument i’ve heard against such additions, is that Live has no way to record poly after-touch ? am I mistaken ? that’s not an acceptable answer imo, the polyphonic after touch could still be used with other software. at any rate i don’t want to end up buying “push 2″ for polyphonic after touch so look in to that.

    Also, please deliver the Buchla Easel coverage you promised during NAMM. “coming soon”

    • Samuele Cornell

      you are correct Live 9 has no support for polyphonic aftertouch, it requires a total new approach, it isn’t a simple implementation ( anyway they had 3 years).
      Maybe it could be fixed with a firmware upgrade, but as Push is designed to work almost exclusively with Ableton, they would unlikely do it.

    • http://www.facebook.com/wetterberg Andreas Wetterberg

      Three years? They’ve had since Live 4 to implement poly aftertouch in the midi specs… that’s a lot longer.

    • Jeffwry

      Damn skippy! I can’t comment on the development challenges in getting Live itself to deal with poly aftertouch, but with regard the controller… it seems insane to me to ‘cripple’ it just to match the areas where Live itself is crippled. There’s no good reason, imo, that the hardware controller shouldn’t be able to send poly-aftertouch – or that this couldn’t be added with a firmware upgrade. Unless of course my fears are true, and the hardware is physically crippled somehow making poly-aftertouch a likely feature for a “Push 2″ a couple years down the road. I’m not in to that form of engineered obsolescence, certainly not when it’s so blatant and the unit itself so expensive, and the feature so basic. I’ll only be buying Push if it can be reasonably used with other software too.

    • angstrom

      Push does send Poly Aftertouch, it’s just that Live can’t deal with it for instruments (it cant represent it, and doesnt record it, instruments don’t support it). I think that when Push uses drumracks it does work. But only for cheesy features like the hit repeat speed for robo-fills.
      For what it’s worth, Bitwig have stated they will attempt to interface with Push, and they DO plan to fully support poly-AT. Which would be embarrassing.

    • Jeffwry

      Excellent, thanks for that angstrom. I don’t mind that Live doesn’t currently support dealing with poly-aftertouch signals – that can be added (in a few years at this pace? ). But to make the hardware useful outside of Live it’s definitely reassuring to hear it can/does/will indeed send poly-aftertouch. Indeed, Bitwig is one such piece of software I plan to use it with if I buy one. If Ableton go out of their way to ‘cripple’ Push in use with other software, I will probably give it a wide berth for a while. Don’t do it Ableton.

    • Jeffwry

      Thanks for confirming the current status of polyphonic aftertouch in live9, however with respect the controller & firmware upgrades I’d rather Peter comment on that after discussing it directly with Ableton. I have my own opinions on what’s possible, and what’s likely, but I’m asking for facts here not other opinions ;)

  • Andre Brown

    What is the Ableton Live 9 touch or multitouch experience like with a Windows 8 computer?

  • 4e4o

    Surprised that push does not include ability for melodic sequencing. Do you see any opportunity on ths front?

  • http://twitter.com/maxledaron Max le Daron

    Thomann (big german music store) say they’ll have Push in stock on 22.03.2013: http://www.thomann.de/be/ableton_push.htm

  • No unlink envelope make me sad

    what about unlink workflow? it,s possible with push ?or we must use the mouse to unlink the envelopes?

  • http://www.justmuziq.com/ Lion

    Ableton Push does look sweet. But the price is a little too rich for me.

    Plus, being more instrumental than clip launching and or step sequencing, I’d be missing out of 3/4ths of the controller — at least as out the box goes, you know people are going to hack the brains out this thing.

  • Jeffwry

    Please also check how Push is going to interact with 3rd party VSTs. I recall reading something official that indicated most of the convenient interaction will be for native Ableton devices only.
    A confirmation on these limitations would be helpful, and an official indication if these limitations will be overcome within Live9′s life cycle or indeed the lifecycle of the controller itself.
    We be using 3rd party vsts.

  • pat

    THE ONLY THING I WANTED WAS DUAL MONITOR SUPPORT. How bloody hard is this request?!? One monitor = session view. The second monitor = arrangement view.

  • http://twitter.com/AndrewAndrew AndrewAndrew

    Is push usefull for making mix tapes?

  • Renger

    Hey Peter, My question: Can Push be used as a midi input device for other DAW’s like Logic Cubase and ProTools or is it 100% Ableton only?

    I understand that most of its functionality is dedicated to Live 9 but I really like the keyboard (midi notes) way of playing, please check if that is possible!

  • Eric Lerner

    A few questions out of pure curiosity (nothing personal, Peter, just that I’ve sold my maschine, bcf2000 and launchpad in anticipation for push, so nothing you write can change the fact that I’ll be buying one push unit) but just wondering about a few features that could just be the icing on the cake for me:

    1. How easy, or complex, would it be to configure the touch strip away from its original setting, into any other modulation or function? Must m4l be involved?

    2. I see a shift button but no secondary text above or around the other buttons; could you
    Elaborate on the extra functions this provides? Would we have as much freedom from mouse as ableton claims?

    3. Is there anything new in terms of workflow that would allow sampling and chopping directly from push, much like maschine?

    4. Super icing: are the colors of push’s RGB buttons configurable? :)

    Thank you!!

    • bloodynails

      Here are just some of the examples of the many things that Maschine does that Live & Push simply cannot do:

      - step sequence regular midi tracks from the hardware
      - slice samples from the hardware
      - sample editing with just the hardware due to the waveforms showing up on the hardware’s LCD displays
      - add/remove slices from the hardware
      - browse and load audio/clips from the hardware
      - duplicate pads (equivalent to Drum Racks pads in Live) from the hardware
      - edit start/end points for unwarped audio clips from the hardware
      - make multiple selection of notes from the hardware
      - automap to plugins without having to save them in a different format (Live racks) first
      - step automation (aka step parameter locks/p-locks)
      - open/close plugins from the hardware
      - open a set or even start a new set from the hardware
      - copy/paste clips from the hardware
      - preview/pre-hear samples in browser from the hardware
      - the ability to be mouseless (and even computer screen-less) for pretty much every control of its software
      - make custom names to show up in the hardware’s displays when used as a midi controller
      - everything in Komplete 8, including all presets, automatically shows up in Maschine’s hardware to be browsed and loaded
      …etc.

  • Ulhuru

    Hi,

    Sound quality improvement in Live9?

    Ok, it might be psychological. But I always feel Live has an “edgy” sound compared to dinosaurs DAWs, for some reasons. Be they EQ design, summing bus, whatever. I am curious to see / hear / know if sound quality can/is improved for V9…

    • gfy

      No. sample rate is sample rate its all the same quality no matter what DAW. Latency now theres a question

  • http://twitter.com/shanetron shanetron

    i want to know how this integrates with chopping a sample in drumrack. like, copying a sample, adjusting start and end points, copying that one, and moving the points later. does it work well? can it replace a maschine in this regard? or is this simply a “perform” box?

    • bloodynails

      Push doesn’t really integrate with Live’s drum racks that well, surprisingly. Here are just some of the examples of the many things that Maschine does that Live & Push simply cannot do:

      - step sequence regular midi tracks from the hardware
      - slice samples from the hardware
      - sample editing with just the hardware due to the waveforms showing up on the hardware’s LCD displays
      - add/remove slices from the hardware
      - browse and load audio/clips from the hardware
      - duplicate pads (equivalent to Drum Racks pads in Live) from the hardware
      - edit start/end points for unwarped audio clips from the hardware
      - make multiple selection of notes from the hardware
      - automap to plugins without having to save them in a different format (Live racks) first
      - step automation (aka step parameter locks/p-locks)
      - open/close plugins from the hardware
      - open a set or even start a new set from the hardware
      - copy/paste clips from the hardware
      - preview/pre-hear samples in browser from the hardware
      - the ability to be mouseless (and even computer screen-less) for pretty much every control of its software
      - make custom names to show up in the hardware’s displays when used as a midi controller
      - everything in Komplete 8, including all presets, automatically shows up in Maschine’s hardware to be browsed and loaded
      …etc.

      As far as whether it is a “perform” box, here’s Jesse Terry from Ableton’s answer to this question:

      Q: “I would like to know if Push creators see it as a performance tool too.”
      A: “Sure, Push has obvious uses onstage, but we focus on the creation workflow first.”

  • http://twitter.com/SyntheticJuice SyntheticJuice

    I think i read/saw somewhere Push has dual? foot pedal inputs? Are they just on/off sustain and/or also expression? I’m guessing you can midi bind them, but if there are extra command/actions that’s only available via the Push, and can you bind the footpedals to them?

    Also, is it easy to select any clip without activating it? Can we delete and duplicate clips easily thru push? Is there a undo/redo button?

    Thanks.

  • Hari Bol

    I have a huge feature request, that should be built into the (potential) controller editor. Is there an option to reconfigure the pads for whatever midi notes you like? I want to lay out the notes the same as the notes on a guitar (in addition to whatever clever cool scale options are already provided.

    Please let us know how this works please.

    • bloodynails

      Nope. Here’s the answer from Ableton’s Jesse Terry:

      “We do not currently have an editor, and notes can not be changed on Push.”

  • http://twitter.com/kirkspencer1 Kirk Spencer

    Is there any latency when triggering sounds? What is it like using both Maschine and Push together? Maschine can do things supposedly Push can not? Does Live 9 host Maschine better i.e less latency? When using Max for Live devices (sufi + richie hawtin) does that increase CPU usage more? Is it true you can not slice audio clips within Push? Is there a sampling sound quality emulation like SP1200 + MP100?

    • bloodynails

      It’s true that you cannot slice audio from the Push.

      Maschine has vintage sampling mode emulation for SP1200 and MPC60.

  • Johbremat

    Bottom left quadrant allows you to select an instrument from the drum rack. You tap it; it sounds; you’ve now selected it and can now sequence with it.

    If you intended to use Push in a live situation, are you able to cue the instrument selection to a different channel, so no selecting the instrument no-one else can hear it other than yourself?

  • GFY

    worst live update yet???

  • TruthSayer

    I Am No Longer Interested In Push.
    My 4 year old Maschine controller (in mdid mode) has more options minus a few dedicated buttons specifically for live. The displays on Push are weak, you can only use it with 1st party vsts (no kontakt, no Massive, no Omnisphere etc) apparently you can move the 3rd party apps into a drum rack and control them in a hap hazard way, but NOPE. Most deffinetely waitng for Push 2

  • julienbayle

    My dedicated page with many hacks..
    http://julienbayle.net/ableton-push