Inside Preferences, you'll find an option for showing or hiding various tools. Not to editorialize too much, but odds are you'll want to check most or even all of these, if they touch any area you use. Details below.

Inside Preferences, you’ll find an option for showing or hiding various tools. Odds are you’ll want at least the top box checked, and existing users or users of specific interest areas will want to check some of the others, as well. Details below.

As a follow up to CDM’s Logic hands-on, here are some additional notes. First, we can confirm that you can keep your old Logic with the new one if you’re afraid of losing compatibility with a plug-in. Second, I have some gentle advice for making sure a new option to hide and show extra features of the program doesn’t cause confusion.

Keeping Your Old Logic for 32-bit Support

Logic Pro X removes the 32-bit bridge that made Logic Pro 9 compatible with both 32-bit and 64-bit plug-ins. That means you will need to make sure any plug-in you want to use with the new Logic has been updated with 64-bit compatibility. And that’s a big deal: 64-bit support still isn’t a given, especially among users with lots of plug-ins.

There is some rationale here: it makes sense for plug-ins to take advantage of greater processing and memory efficiencies possible with 64-bit support. (And, not to take sides here, but the fact that some plug-ins still haven’t been updated does suggest that hosts may have to … um, nudge the developers. Apple may have just taken care of that.)

Of course, that doesn’t mean you want to lose compatibility with existing sessions – that’s bad. So, I think it’s worth an explicit note to say that CDM has confirmed with the Logic team at Apple that you can run your current version of Logic and the new version side by side.

If you already have a copy of Logic on your machine, when you buy the new Logic Pro X from the studio, it leaves installed versions alone. (The same is true of MainStage.) You don’t have to rename your copy of Logic or take any other steps. (Regular backups are always a good idea, but here there’s nothing in particular you need to do.)

This means you can keep your old version to maintain compatibility with 32-bit plugs – so you don’t immediately break sessions.

Go Advanced – Even if You’re a Beginner

Also, existing users should be aware of a change to the UI. Apple has added an option called “Advanced Tools.” The basic idea is to hide menu items that might be of interest only to more sophisticated users. That would presumably serve the (admirable) goal of enticing newcomers to Logic without intimidating them with lots of options.

The goal is admirable, but the implementation is a mixed bag. I experimented with navigating around Logic with the option on and off. With it off, it was often unclear what had changed or how things were easier to use. Sure, there was a button missing here or there, and a couple of the extra editing modes in Logic can indeed confuse beginners in some situations. But ironically, I think beginning users might be the group least likely to notice changes this subtle. As I said in the hands-on, Apple has done a great job in recent updates in making the UI clean and accessible. Hiding an apparently random assortment of options from the UI is superfluous.

Where you will notice the impact of Advanced Tools is when important things you need suddenly aren’t there. You won’t do much harm turning off Surround or Notation features if you don’t need them, and “MIDI” is largely to do with the Environment – see my suggested “minimal” checkboxes at top. But why are beginning users turning off options for backups or saving alternative versions of projects? The “Alternatives” is one of my favorite features in Logic Pro X, and beginners often need this as much if not more than experienced users. Mix options were so subtle that I had to squint at the mixer to see even what had changed – and again, those could cause a problem when something was missing while providing little benefit to the beginning user?

Here’s my advice to beginners in Logic: go to Logic > Preferences > Advanced and ensure Show Advanced Tools is checked. You can probably safely leave the other checkboxes unchecked.

If you’re upgrading, Advanced Tools is (wisely) turned on by default. The Logic installer will look for an existing copy of the Logic Preferences. So if you’re doing a clean install, of course, you’ll want to manually turn this on.

These sorts of options sometimes seem to me like offering a choice between “Hard to Use” and “Hobbled and Incomplete.” But with at least the main Advanced Tools option selected, I think most users will be happy. Advanced users may indeed go in and turn on additional options they need. And at least the good news is, Apple didn’t get rid of anything. So you can think of these more as “It’s okay, Apple – we can take it” checkboxes.

Lots of other reader questions, so I’ll try to do a round-up Q&A next week.

  • dolomick

    What is the easiest way to draw in 32nd notes in Logic X? It seems they have removed the second drop down box that used to be under the “division” setting. Having trouble penciling them in for a drum part. Thanks!

    • Peter Kirn

      Ah, this one I have to look into. And… did you try adjusting the Advanced Tools checkboxes? (cough)

    • F’Dumptch

      The only way I could get divisions to display was to set the LCD to “Custom”. Then you get a drop down box under the Time sig in the LCD

  • dolomick

    I also can’t get the Ableton style zooming to work, where the timeline playhead is dragged up or down?

    • Peter Kirn

      That’s an Ableton feature, so no, Apple hasn’t done the same thing. You can zoom via the sliders or hotkeys. The resizable scrollbars have been replaced with standard Lion/Mountain Lion-style scroll thumbs (which hide automatically), so that Logic 9 mechanism is now gone.

    • Ah

      What are the hotkeys to quickly move around the timeline? I find using the scroll bars tedious. Thanks.

    • Petter Wiik

      If you press “alt” then you may zoom by dragging in the ruler area.

    • Ah

      Actually, pressing Alt will place a marker. You need to first press/hold the playhead then press Alt and drag, which is ridiculously annoying when working quickly. Once you’re zoomed in though, you then need to jump to the bottom scroll bar to pan around, or go back up to the ruler and zoom out, then zoom back in on another area.

    • Arvid Tomayko-Peters

      Logic 9 does have this, but its not very useful.

    • Joel

      You need to click in the section below the bar numbers, the box with the division ticks. Click and drag vertically, and it will zoom in and out. Seems to me to be the same as Ableton, no?

  • Robin Renwick

    Can someone please enlighten me as to the surround options on Logic Pro X. Is there a default octophonic array set up, or any advancement at all on Logic 9 on the surround set up? That would be great info. Thankyou in advance.

  • Per

    I have made a number of ESX-24 instruments with my own samples, will they open in Logic X?

    • Peter Kirn

      Yes, there appear to be no visible changes whatsoever to ESX or its sample format. So no problem there. On the other hand, I hope we someday see some fruits of that Redmatica acquisition for supporting other formats.

  • Per

    In Logic 9 all Logic’s plugins are sorted under the appropriate headings, while 3rd party plugins are lumped together. Has this changed so 3rd party plugins can go with Logic’s under the “EQ”, “Dynamics”, “Reverb” et.c. headings?

    • Peter Kirn

      No; third party plugs are still in the same place. However, the new Track Stacks and such mean you can create some very powerful preset patches for yourself, which is what I intend to do. There isn’t standard metadata for AUs that would make this possible. That means it’s not Apple’s responsibility, but Apple’s — oh. Well, it’d be nice if we made plugins smarter.

    • foljs

      How would it know how to categorize for third party stuff? Only if the AUs had a category attribute.

  • Per

    Loops, samples et.c take up a lot of space, and some are unchanged from Logic 9. When downloading Logic X will I have two instances of the same content?

    • Peter Kirn

      No, it uses the same copies in Library > Application Support > Logic.

  • Random Chance

    Regarding Apple nugding developers: There has been at least one email campaign targetting people who have AU plugins available online (even the free ones) where some developer service person askes specifically about 64-bit support.

    It’s a little strange in my opinion to force users (of all people! What did they do wrong when they bought plugins that turned out to be useful to them but not to their developers and will never ever be updated to 64-bit unless hell freezes over?) into 64-bit. Is it necessary? I’m still using Logic in 32-bit mode and have never felt the need for 64-bit. I just don’t need the extra memory for what I do. And consequently I feel quite strongly that it should be my choice leaving all strategic arguments aside.

    It’s like killing off PowerPC emulation in newer versions of Mac OS X. Totally unnecessary from a user’s point of view. Apple could afford to have a developer work on those legacy things, keeping software that is irreplaceable useful. Sadly, it ain’t going to happen. They’ll rather have an iWatch and iPhones and lots of other gimmicky things to keep investors happy. *sigh*

    • Ben

      By the same logic you could just stay on your first DAW, with your first computer.

      Why update? It still works, even if it is a commodore 64 with only a SID chip for output.


    • Chris Catalano

      Well, come on Ben…It would not have killed them to keep the 32 bit bridge, or even better, implement a seamless integration, albeit with the user knowledge that the processing could be a bit slower. I think their biggest mistake has been taking too long to get with the program, and now they are going to have to do a significant bit of damage control to ensure that this new Logic is a s good as it SHOULD be. Even if I upgrade my OS, and then to Logic Pro X, I am keeping 9 for at least a year to deal with all the lost processing power I am going to have to deal with due to this inconsiderate manoeuvre on Apple’s part.

    • Ben

      Where is the lost processing power? If you own all your plugins 99% of them should have a 64bit version released by now.

      No problem with having logic pro 9 on at the same time as they use the same library, but I think you will find you won’t have that many growing pains.

  • Marc Andrei

    Is there a way to backup Logic Pro X additional content so I don’t have to re-download it when I have to re-install?

    • F’Dumptch

      I think the easiest way is just to use Time Machine really.
      It would be no trivial matter to try an work out where everything is and what has changed.

    • Marc Andrei

      @F’Dumptch Thanks for replying, I actually found where the additional content is stored and was able to save them to another drive. If you are interested here is where I found help. When you get to the page scroll down until you see username CCTM. The folder he mentioned is for Logic Pro 9, but Logic Pro X additional content is in the same location.

  • Producers Choice

    Looking forward to this. I’m going to keep Logic 9 and run both just to be sure. Thanks for confirming that it is possible to do so!

  • Mike H

    So psyched! But… now my Massive presets are gone from the app. I previously had added them in the ~/Library/Audio/Presets folder, where Logic 9 picked them up. Anyone have any idea where they should be for X?

    • F’Dumptch

      I’ve only just installed LPX myself and noticed a new directory structure . .
      Have a look in your home folder under ~/music/Audio Music Apps/
      maybe that’s where we will have to either copy or symlink /Library/Audio/Presets

    • programmablelife

      Thanks for the tip! Went to put it into action and no initial luck. Then discovered that the previous interface for selecting a preset on a 3rd-party instrument has changed: instead of clicking on the plugin button in the track column, now you hover the mouse to the left of that button and click there when you see a grey arrow appear under the mouse. That makes the arrow blue and loads up the preset navigator with the relevant presets.

      After figuring that out, I checked to see where LPX is loading the presets from, and in fact it’s the same old place, ~/Library/Audio/Presets.

      Unfortunately it still doesn’t actually send presets to Massive when the project loads. And whereas before, you could just click on the preset value to have it sent, now you have to select another preset and then re-select the selected one. Will look into a way to get around this with the new Patch saving…

  • Ben

    Does logic pro X still have the problem where it never seems to want to snap properly. Logic pro 9 always puts its just off the mark unless you zoom right in.

    • Chris Catalano

      Man, I thought I was the only one who hated that…I always thought it was an auto-thing to attempt to snap to a zero crossing or something. So counterintuitive, and I sure as hell hope they fix the clip editing features. hard to argue with pro Tools fans when fades are right there in the box. From what I have read, this sounds like a great deal for a newbie. For Logic freaks, I ain’t getting this until at least the first major update, and a whack of better processors in the box…

    • griotspeak

      Fades have been ‘in the box’ for at least a whole version. They were definitely in 9. Tool Menu > Fade Tool (0)

    • Chris Catalano

      Yes, and I use them all the time, and love the speed and slow down fades, BUT, other DAWs have the fade tool embedded in the Clip, even Waveburner has that. It is awkward to apply clip fades expeditiously because you are always having to switch tools. I think they need to implement a smarter smart tool..,

    • T_Thrust

      Logic has implemented this, at least as of 9. Preferences>>General>>Editing>>Pointer Tool in Tracks Provides:>>Fade Tool click zones. See screenshot.

    • T_Thrust

      Also, you can adjust fades in the inspector. This is best for batch fades, but can also be faster than the fade tool…

    • foljs

      Never had that issue. You’re doing it wrong.

    • Ben

      Fishing for upvotes, just like the rest of your comments…. nice work.

    • foljs

      “Fishing for upvotes”? You might be, but do I look like 15 years old?

      Just stating that it works for me.

    • Hood

      Ben, I’ve had a similar problem before – so the flippant comment from foljs is unnecessary.

    • griotspeak

      I think–and I am not completely sure that this is the issue–that you are fighting the ‘Snap Edits to Zero Crossings’ setting.

    • Chris Catalano

      The Snap to settings are fine. The way the box does not settle absolutely to where I intend it to with snap to off is sometimes not fine.

      What I really mean is that the clip box itself would be more functional with fade bars (and curve options) embedded into them, like in Sonar, Pro Tools, etc…I will stick with Logic, i think it is a treme dous program, but it has some annoying quirks…

    • griotspeak

      I was responding to Ben. That said, the Snap To Zero Crossings is in the Audio menu for The Arrange view and is separate from the Snap menu.

    • Ben

      Its even with midi, just moving a note always seems to put it off. Took the plunge and went to X. (199 come on), and the snapping is mint. Apart from looking a little over GB, its pretty clean…

      Cant say too much as I’ve only just got it, I cant comment on all the people whinging about 32bit, I have run logic in 64 for quite a while already.

    • Joey

      just change the snap to samples and zoom in, thats what I usually do. Or you can move the playhead to where you want to move the region and then use the hotkey “pickup clock (move event to playhead postition)” to move into the position you like.

    • Ben

      Must be set as a default in X, so much better. Cheers though.

    • Joey

      the pickup clock must be set as default? my apologies I was a little confused by your comment. please elaborate.

    • T_Thrust

      What you do is enable “snap to absolute value” in the “snap” menu next do “division.” also, change the snap from “smart” to “division.” I have quick keys for snap mode. pretty sure it’s default ctrl+shift S for smart, D for division, M for bar, F for frame, W for sample. Also, you can specify in the logic preferences if you want the tool to automatically turn into the fade tool when you mouse over a certain portion of the region, a la PT’s smart tool.

  • Jyoti Mishra

    I’m loving the upgrade so far! Everything seems better laid out, the UI is more intuitive and gets in the way less. Even on my little Macbook Air 11″, it’s usable.

    My biggest bugbear with Logic is the shonky timing it’s had for years now, compared to Reaper, Renoise and, inevitably, my 808 and Elektron gear.

    If anyone made a DAW with the timing of my old Atari STFM, I would marry them and make them cakes forever. *sigh*

    • DPrty

      Atari timing sigh ….. If someone would just release cubase for Atari on a modern computer I would bake them cakes forever. ….. Yeah yeah I know you can run an Emu but they are not precise and crash.

    • Jyoti Mishra

      From what I remember, it’s impossible to do now because of the tight hardware integration of the Atari’s MIDI ports.

      Most people haven’t heard the timing of an Atari or an 808 so they don’t know the difference in feel, therefore DAWs sound fine. But if I sequence a song in Logic and then do the same on my Monomachine or 808, there is a palpable disparity. And it’s not in Logic’s favour.

      Maybe one day, modern software will actually take rhythm seriously. Maybe.

  • Sebastian

    In Logic 9, when you play a chord on a midi piano there’s a monitor on the transport window that shows which chord you’re playing.. quite handy.. I couldn’t find this in X, did I just overlook this or is this feature missing?

    • Sebastian

      found it, you have to set the transport bar to custom…

  • Freeks

    HOT TIP: Logic X does NOT require 10.8.5. It can be installed to 10.7.0 by editing info.plist file in the installer by changing “Minimum system version” to: 10.0.7. This might even work with Snow Leopard. This shows how Apple cheat us to upgrade.

    i’m 90% sure that the iPad app would work with iOS5 aka iPad1 with same kind of hack. iOS apps are just a bit more difficult to edit. Let’s hope there will be “cracked” version for jailbreakers that work in iOS5.

    • griotspeak

      Changing the plist to get it running does not mean that it runs well. There is, more likely than not, some actual reason that 10.8 was required.

    • Blob

      Actually there is a reason: Apple’s business model – planned obsolescence

      Apple wants to sell new computers, or at least get some bucks from OSX updates.

      When Logic 9 was released, back in 2009, it was artificially blocked from working on OSX 10.5. Logic 8 was barely over 2 years old. Obviously, if you used a workaround similar to what Freeks is describing, Logic 9 worked pretty well, with almost 100% stability.

      When OSX 10.7 came out, Logic 8 (by then merely 4 years old) was “incompatible” (again, you could use hacks and workarounds, to get it working)

      Don’t get me wrong, I think Logic is great, and this update looks great.

      It’s just that I pay for an audio software suite, I expect to be able to use it for more than a couple of years. This is why I now work mostly with platform-independent software.

    • griotspeak

      Four years a pretty long time.

      I think that the ‘professional’ demand that a purchase last forever is a large part of what keeps DAWs from keeping up with new possibilities. features get added to specs and compatibility issues mean that they never go anywhere.

      Logic Pro X might not use one new API and it might use all of them but if they sell it _now_ touting compatibility with <=10.8 then they establish a soft contract that it won't break compatibility until a major revision.

    • Jeff

      There absolutely are reasons. Applications like Logic rely on OS features and bug fixes to operate reliably. Forcing it to run with older versions of the OS may be possible, but you do this at your own peril.

    • Althepal

      Hi tried this but couldn’t get plist to save changes -‘read only’ notice. Any ideas?

  • N8

    @EVERYONE trying to use logic pro x on older than 10.8.4 mac, download mountain lion os x. A $20 fix and now logic pro x will work, i tried the plist method on 10.6.8, its bogus and doesnt work, im really good with computers so you can try if you dont want to take my word for it….

    (torrent it, idk bout y’all but id rather keep 2 hundo in my pocket….nobodys coming after me so i dont need to hear that repetitive wack comment)

    on a side note @foljs:disqus…..”Never had that issue. You’re doing it wrong,” ignorant comment….obviously a grip of people in this discussion have that specific snap issue OR have it at one point, look at @disqus_ydVapOmu7G:disqus comment and likes, look at @chriscatalano:disqus @disqus_0AIYgHC2cI:disqus @griotspeak:disqus

    Side not #2….shave that beard and get some new glasses, you look like a child molester whos fetish is >15 yr olds

  • Brian_Bray

    Could somebody please tell me if Logic Node is still used/necessary with X? I noticed it didn’t get updated with the new install, and if it’s not required I’d like to get rid of it. Thanks.

  • Jesse

    Is there a way to save down in Logic X so that projects created in it can be used on Logic 9 as well?

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